anonymous morphed into Ewa Deelman anonymous morphed into Patrick Juola anonymous morphed into Jim Basney anonymous morphed into Kent Blackburn Ewa Deelman: welcome to the chat room Ewa Deelman: we can use it to make comments that will be recorded and/or posting questions anonymous morphed into JP Navarro anonymous2 morphed into Erik Schnetter Ewa Deelman: link to cf21 http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/2010/nsf10015/nsf10015.pdf Ewa Deelman: Report from the Software Sustainability Workshop in Indianapolis 2009 http://cisoftwaresustainability.iu-pti.org/ anonymous2 morphed into Amit Majumdar anonymous1 morphed into Ashish Gehani anonymous1 morphed into Philip Papadopoulos Philip Papadopoulos: Looking at the concept of software institutes... will NSF back with $$ the notion of institutes Ewa Deelman: good question and the follow on to that is where are they going to take the $$ from JP Navarro: Are there multiple competing institutes? anonymous1 morphed into JP Navarro Philip Papadopoulos: JP -- I'd say there must be. Ecological arguments says that one of anything dies. Need some small number to keep them honest through competition anonymous1 morphed into Randy Butler Ewa Deelman: Hi Susan, thanks for setting this up Susan Turnbull: You're welcome. People should click on settings and add their name to morph from anonymous. Susan Turnbull: Does anyone have experience with Carnegie Mellon's Software Engineering Institute? They developed the Capability Maturity Model. I believe they serve DOD and other agencies on the operational side of the house. Ewa Deelman: Susan--I am not sure what we do with the "raised hands" JP Navarro: Yea, I didn't know I was doing that and I want to Un-raise my hand. Susan Turnbull: People should click on the raised hand to que up for questions (good for telecons). People shouldn't type in the que space. Patrick Juola: I have bit of experience with the SEI, and a former student of mine is a CMM expert. Patrick Juola: It's not as useful as the SEI folks would like it to be. "Formal" software engineering has always had that problem. anonymous1 morphed into Alain Roy anonymous1 morphed into Scott McCaulay Susan Turnbull: http://ontolog.cim3.net Peter Yim www.cim3.com anonymous2 morphed into Duncan Brown Ewa Deelman: As I mentioned before the break, I would appreciate ideas on how we can collaborate better as a community, should we try to get together outside of the PI meeting forum Ewa Deelman: any ideas on this chat or email would be great anonymous2 morphed into Martin Swany Susan Turnbull: Link to presentation and audio on QUOMOS - Quantiy and Units of Measure Ontology Standard Initiative given at Tuesday's Open Innovation Model workshop:http://colab.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ExpeditionWorkshop/LeveragingServiceOrientedArchitecture_AdvancingCyberinfastructureCapabilities_2010_01_27#nid42AR Ewa Deelman: thanks Susan---what's the longevity of this chat Ewa Deelman: can people still see the discussions a year from now? Susan Turnbull: Actually, no. As soon as we all leave the content goes away. I typically do a screen scrape before I leave and then provide the transcript as a text file. Ewa Deelman: thanks anonymous2 morphed into Bertram Ewa Deelman: good to know Bertram morphed into Bertram Ludaescher Bertram Ludaescher: What's the sustainability plan of this chat? Will it be up after this meeting (and the content cached)? Ewa Deelman: I will scrape it as Susan suggested Susan Turnbull: The content will be available. This particular chat room will be closed out. Anyone can instantiate a new chat room however, by just changing the URL extension. The chat room is OS from IBM research. Ewa Deelman: Provenance challenge workshops http://twiki.ipaw.info/bin/view/Challenge/ Dan Gunter: idea for collaborating: figure out which PIs will be attending the same conference; organize side-meetings or bofs. Ewa Deelman: SC is usually a good place, are there others? Dan Gunter: HPDC? anonymous: end users don't attend HPDC Susan Turnbull: FYI - These links may be of interest and are feeding the open data file formats and open data sets across the Federal government - http://data.gov also http://apps.gov also emerging technology life-cycle process: http://et.gov Susan Turnbull: http://www.whitehouse.gov/Open/ -Open Government Initiative http://www.whitehouse.gov/open/documents/open-government-directive -Open Government Directive, issued December 8, 2009] {nid 42AH} http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ogi-progress-report-american-people.pdf Open Government - A Progress Report to the American People Dan Gunter: still better than nothing